Tuttle & Kline
Award winning morning radio partners for 25+ years, Tim Tuttle and Kevin Kline share stories and insights through organic conversation and natural humor.
Tuttle & Kline
Pilot: Reunion and Reflections: 25 Years of Radio Adventures Together
Time has a way of deepening bonds and imbuing conversations with richness that only years of shared laughter and struggles can provide. That's what you'll discover when you tune in to a heartfelt reunion with long-time radio partners, Tim Tuttle & Kevin Kline. Together, we peel back the layers of a 25-year adventure through the airwaves, with stories that'll have you grinning about the unscripted moments that became morning show gold. From the spark of our first broadcast to the evolution of topics as diverse as mental health and true crime, we explore the alchemy of our partnership and how the pressures of life behind the mic shaped our personal and professional lives.
Revel in the lighter moments as we recount the exhilaration of Super Bowl Week in Vegas and personal encounters with stars who've stayed grounded amidst their fame—Taylor Swift's millennial Dylan vibe and Garth Brooks's heartfelt connections with fans highlight the spectrum. We pay homage to the late great Toby Keith, sharing stories including our comedic misadventures on the golf course. Join us as we navigate the dynamics between music, personality, and the shifting landscape of the radio industry, all while reminiscing about the raw talents emerging from my hometown of Dallas.
But it's not all about looking back; we also contemplate the personal transformations that come with aging. Embracing meditation, letting go of old grudges, and redefining our motivations, we unravel the profound shifts that brought us to where we are today. We laugh over past follies with Mike Tyson and Don King, and consider the magnetic pull of Las Vegas during iconic events. This episode isn't just a trip down memory lane, but a testament to the ever-evolving journey of fun and friendship, and the unexpected, fulfilling paths life can lead us down when we allow ourselves to just let go.
Hey, fu, excuse me, Zzy, it's the Fuzzy Mike with Kevin Klein, the Fuzzy Mike podcast. Hello, and thank you for listening, subscribing and following. If you're not subscribing on our YouTube channel or following the show, you know you're allowed to. I mean, actually we encourage it. I'd be appreciative if you left a rating and review this episode of the Fuzzy Mike. It's a little different from our recent episodes, see. We've kind of settled into a mental health and true crime concentration. Honestly, it just organically went in that direction and the feedback has been super kind. So, thank you. I'm grateful. Today, though, I'm really excited for you to hear this one. We recorded this on February 5th 2024.
Speaker 1:In this episode, you're gonna go behind the scenes of a successful morning radio show. It's a candid conversation on how morning radio works, how the landscape has changed over 30 years and what a dominant morning team sounds like. Other than my 30 years. Together with my wife, tim Tuttle holds the spot for second longest friendship partnership relationship I've ever had. We were morning radio partners for 25 years. I retired in 2021, tim got out in 2022.
Speaker 1:We both miss the same thing about radio the creativity, the conversation and the camaraderie that we were able to build with you, our audience, when you listen to this, keep in mind this is the first time we've been together in three years. Now that needs to be said, because there's something you can test in your own life there who's that person, or those people you can be away from for a while, but when you get together you instantly pick up where you left off. Those are friends that you have true chemistry with Our chemistry. It was undeniable from the first day we met, and what you'll hear in this episode is what morning radio used to be allowed to be free form banter without constraints. It's why we got into the industry in the first place. Now, tim is freakishly good with numbers and dates. I don't know how he does it, but he is. I'm gonna test him right here. Okay, All right, bro, lay it on us. When was our first show together?
Speaker 2:June 13th 1996, nashville, tennessee, lnc Tower.
Speaker 1:What a freak. It was a Friday the 13th, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:No, sir, Wednesday the 13th.
Speaker 1:Or Tuesday, the 13th.
Speaker 2:I can't remember that. I think it was Tuesday the 13th.
Speaker 1:Okay so, and then by the end of the week we were the full on morning show.
Speaker 2:By the end of the week, john Lennick called us in the office and said you guys are taking over and you didn't want to do it. Initially you were like hello.
Speaker 1:Well, because it was Randy's slot. Yeah, it was Randy's slot and I gotta admit, you and I hooked up for the first time on the phone the other day and then we did a Zoom call together. Dude, you look great man, you look great, you look so stress-free bro.
Speaker 2:I've been off the air now 21 months.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you get a lot of perspective when you're not in a meat grinder and let's face it, the last few years when we were doing what we were doing is a little bit of a meat grinder for many different reasons that we're not gonna go into. But once you get separated from that and you get a chance to take up things like meditation and everything like that, it changes perspective a lot.
Speaker 1:It does.
Speaker 2:And yeah, and I just yeah, I'm not gonna tell you I'm a different person, Kevin, but I'm a different person, Kevin.
Speaker 1:Ha ha, ha ha. Well, how? So what differences are there in you? I don't sweat the small things like I used to. Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:I just felt anything out of my control and I let it go.
Speaker 1:Which was really interesting because you and I we spent 25 years together and our relationship and our business relationship was I was always the micro guy and you were always the macro guy. Your big picture I'm small details and that's funny that you say that you always sweat at the small stuff. I never got that.
Speaker 2:I would let the smallest things trigger me. Now, some of it was good. I mean, some of it put chips on my shoulder, oh sure, and that allowed me to really excel and perform and dig down deep. But a lot of it was distraction, A lot of it was unnecessary energy. And if I were to utilize that energy in other areas, I've wondered hey man, what can I have done Instead of being angry about that or feeling slighted about that? Where could I have gone?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you said you had a chip on your shoulder. We both had chips on our shoulder because of our upbringing and because of the people who doubted us along the way. I mean Michael Jordan got to where Michael Jordan was because he had a chip on the shoulder the size of America. So I mean I think that propelled us, I think that helped us out, bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kev, chris Rock even said in his standup he said I don't mind bullies. Bullies put chips on shoulders and if we're trying to eliminate and kill all the bullies out there and shut them down, then nobody's gonna be inventing stuff. There'll be no standup comedy. So yeah, I mean it's good to have a chip on your shoulder.
Speaker 1:How would that have sounded when Chris Rock was saying that?
Speaker 2:Don't freeze up on me.
Speaker 1:Get me out of here.
Speaker 2:That was terrible. I apologize to Chris Rock and anybody named the rock.
Speaker 1:Something I always admired about you, though, bro you weren't afraid to get out there and sing or try an impression.
Speaker 2:It was the worst thing you ever made me do is when we had Steven Tyler in studio and you made me sing amazing to Steven Tyler and it was the most horrific thing that I ever had. I still wake up in a pool of sweat sometimes at night.
Speaker 1:Dude. See that's funny how perception is so weird because you think it was the worst thing in the world, the audience and I thought it was radio gold, and I think Steven Tyler appreciated it too.
Speaker 2:No, I think Steven Tyler was looking over to people and going how long do I have to be in this room?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, cause he wanted to leave. He was on the air live with us for like an hour and a half.
Speaker 2:That was awesome. I mean, that was one of the great moments in our career.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he. You know we never went live before with guests in the studio and of all people that we go live with. He insisted Exactly and I was a little bit worried to get up Johnny.
Speaker 2:He wants to go live, and you know cause. You and I like to control the situation. Trust me, johnny likes us to have control of the situation. There you're without a neck. I mean, you never know what can be said. Live by Steven Tyler from Aerosmith.
Speaker 1:Were you surprised that he had everything under control as much as he did? He's a pro man. Oh my God, dude Such a pro.
Speaker 2:Such a pro. He knows the room that he's in and he will adjust accordingly, cause I heard him the next day on a show that doesn't have any filters at all and he was, you know, letting me have bombs drop and everything like that. So he knows where he's at and he's just a total professional. I love him.
Speaker 1:He was talking. Real is what he was doing. Dude, are you drinking? If you can, if you're watching this on YouTube, are you drinking cold coffee?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, that's a straight espresso.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, all right, double shot of espresso.
Speaker 2:Oh, you cut back? No, I didn't. It's a double shot every couple of hours. Kev. I haven't cut back, I'm just trying to spread it out a little bit.
Speaker 1:Okay, what have you been up to, man? It's been three years since we were together. All right, let me see Kev.
Speaker 2:Okay walked away from 93Q 21 months ago. Straightened futures.
Speaker 1:You were developing that program when we were working together, so I did.
Speaker 2:I was working on it, I found out you had your own company. Yeah, you know you always have to be ready. Tell me about it. Perrestrial radio is a shaky business. I mean it's a shock that I got 26 straight years doing morning radio with no breaks in between. That's a really good record.
Speaker 1:That's a real good record.
Speaker 2:But you know it's a very, very volatile. So you know, I've been working on that algorithm for a long time back testing it, forward testing it, and it's great. But, man, it's a lonely venture. I mean, it's me in a chart every morning the last 21 months and I'm just like you know what I want to create again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's what they used to call the. When the vice president danced, they called it Al Gore Rhythm. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh oh oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh oh.
Speaker 2:Let me get it's in and he's real tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you podcast audience you know, that's the same, that's the same thing. That I miss about being in the studio with you is the three C's I miss the camaraderie, I miss the creativity and I missed the conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you know it should be about comedy but, obviously you don't want to. You know, put pressure on us.
Speaker 1:Well then, it would be five C's compensation.
Speaker 2:Ah, ah. Look at you, exactly, exactly. How many times during our career did you think to yourself when you got paid or saw that and you're like this is ridiculous, what they pay me.
Speaker 1:I never quite thought that, because we always did work very hard for what we achieved and it was always like you said, man, you never knew, going in day after day, if it was going to be swept out from underneath you. And that's not doom and gloom, that's just reality, exactly.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and you know I just wanted to be ready with it and I was with the trading and kept the rest of it. A little travel here and there and I am bonding with my kids a lot.
Speaker 1:Well, I was ready to bring up the kids.
Speaker 2:I have four of the greatest kids that any father could ever possibly ask for. I've got overachievers, I've got kindness. I've got you know children. I've got chill gentle. I've got funny. I've got great personality. I'm very fortunate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, I follow your kids on Facebook through you and I'm just amazed at what Audrey has accomplished. I mean, I'm not amazed or surprised by it, I'm just amazed at you know how successful she's become at a young age.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean graduates in three and a half years from Texas Tech. She's 21 years old. Never had seen a beat.
Speaker 1:Being a Division I athlete, she graduated in three and a half years. Dude, that's hard, that's a job man.
Speaker 2:We don't know if Audrey is allergic to bees or not, because she's never had any. I mean, that's who that kid is. And now she's the associate athletic director at Texas State and you're doing a great job.
Speaker 1:But as smart as she is, I think Jonas might even be smarter. Ai medical research yeah.
Speaker 2:Kevin. I have conversations with him that I just pretend I know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, don't we all with that age?
Speaker 2:I'm just like wow, man, where did this come from? And he didn't look exactly like my brother did when he was just you know, todd I would have questions for his mother. That's not different. I mean, that kid is just off the charts and Dallas I'm from, he can bend his boots, can he? Dallas is brilliant. He's playing the saxophone now and he's so good in comedy and such a great sense of humor.
Speaker 1:And Timmy, of course, the person now is off the charts. He's going to be massive dude, yeah that's that is.
Speaker 2:He's a walking muscle, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's a walking.
Speaker 2:His mama doesn't want him to play football, but he's in a small town and when a kid, a head taller, with that muscular structure, is walking down the hall and not on the football team, I mean there's going to be some pressure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not sure she's going to be able to. I'm not sure she's going to be able to dictate that.
Speaker 2:They may have to start the NIL in high school.
Speaker 1:I was just getting ready to say the same thing. You know, and people ask me all the time, tim, and that's a perfect example right there of what made you and Tim so successful and what kept it together for 25 years and I always tell people it was the instant chemistry that you and I had in the promotion area, in the back, behind the scenes area in Nashville. What you and I have cannot be created, dude, it's just natural. Yeah, I mean basically what Kevin.
Speaker 2:Let me translate what Kevin's trying to say he put up with me and he's the only one that put up with me.
Speaker 1:That's funny, because we talked to our agent yesterday and you kind of had a scrambled signal and he said you know, as far as Tim's relationships go, you're probably it, I'm like well, I'm like well, you know, there was no intimacy involved and I think that probably is probably why it was like this and you didn't have to hang around me more than that five hours a day.
Speaker 1:No, you know, bro, you and I have talked considerably since I left and since you know, you left too and, dude, it was great radio, man. It's great radio, you know, and you don't find a lot of that anymore, because no, no, there's people are walking on eggshells.
Speaker 2:you know, people are worried. They just don't let it go, they're just you know a lot of filters and you know we just we never cared. I mean, like you were just saying, we were doing a morning show in the back room of our promotions office before we ever did a morning show on the air together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So, and you know what, though and you're a money manager, a numbers guy and corporations are shelling out multiple billion dollars for radio stations. That pressure that our bosses, our immediate bosses, are under, that's coming from the top man, you know. So I don't begrudge them and I don't, I don't, I have nothing against our management. They're getting it from the top just as much as they're giving it to us, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, it's just all being passed down from the suits who go to those eyes wide shut parties.
Speaker 1:But if they knew what they were doing to destroy the medium, I don't know if they, I don't know if they would even comprehend, you know more music more music, more music. Dude, you and I both know that when we were doing country radio our, our playlist was the exact same as the playlist across the street. So what differentiates the station? The?
Speaker 2:personality.
Speaker 1:And how many minutes did we get to talk? An hour 12. On a good day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, and, and, and, and and and, and, and, and, and and and and, and and and, and, and, and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and they and.
Speaker 1:And we'll see you in about in what's next.
Speaker 2:That's the extra work now, Maybe 13 minutes or something like that, and then just to get to the data and look at these things like if I'm on this one green.
Speaker 1:That's no lie. That's no lie. I mean, do you want me to say hey?
Speaker 2:man, I'm excited, kevin Klein. This is Super Bowl Week and I am pumped up about what's going on in Las Vegas. Yeah yeah, kevin, you know I wouldn't bet the farm because of my family's history of betting the farm, but I would bet a couple acres of it.
Speaker 1:Tell everybody about the bet. The farm, that's one of you.
Speaker 2:My name is George Schmidt on my mom's side. My mom was one year old in North Dakota and grandpa George thought there is no way whatsoever that this Joe Lewis guy is going to beat this strong German matchmaking. So he decided to bet his entire farm against somebody who thought Joe, who's going to whoop him? Lo and behold, a couple weeks later my mom and the rest of her brothers and sisters. They're walking from North Dakota to Milwaukee to live with family. True story. I can't even make that up.
Speaker 1:But you know, I always wondered where your affinity for action came from, and it came from grandpa George. Obviously it's. You know what?
Speaker 2:It is a problem sometimes, Jeff. Yeah, I have to admit, you know if you remember the Fred Plates don't bet.
Speaker 1:So what's the over and under for Taylor Swift cutaways during the Super Bowl? Do you know?
Speaker 2:I don't know what it is, but I don't understand why everybody reeks out about it. I mean, kev, you and I have been watching football for a long time, very long time. As a matter of fact, some of my earliest memories are of names like Stabler and Bradshaw when we were little kids. And it doesn't bother me, it doesn't bother you, that they cut away to her? Not at all. It's sheer numbers. I mean, they have a way of knocking everything down to sheer numbers and they have figured out every time that we can cut away in the luxury box to Taylor Swift, we make $3 million. We're going to cut. I mean those. Those, those rights to NFL games are billions, man, if they can offset some of that by doing a 10 second flash in the luxury box at a Kansas City Chief Game.
Speaker 2:they're going to do it and I understand it.
Speaker 1:Could you live that way, the way that she's forced to live under all that scrutiny and all that public attention?
Speaker 2:I do not feel sorry for her one bit Anytime. Anytime she has any problems whatsoever, she'll just call her accountant and within three or four minutes she will be feeling much better about it. Now there's one. There's one issue I do have with Taylor is she's got to get a little bit of control of the hardcore Twitties. I get it, you're a fan of hers, I am too. I like Taylor Swift. But if some say, for example, somebody says, oh, it's the 13th today, it's bad luck and you start chiming in. Well, 13th Taylor Swift number. And if you don't like her, and I want you dead and your family dead.
Speaker 2:calm down, Because Taylor's not that way. We've met Taylor and talked to Taylor from the beginning, Kevin.
Speaker 1:I was going to ask you if you think she owes us any money because we were one of the first morning shows to play her. Play her record, Tim McGraw.
Speaker 2:Then McGraw came out in oh was oh six or something like that. I don't know if she was 16 years old and we were one of the very first stations to interview 16 year old Taylor Swift and Tim McGraw. Great song. We loved it. Oh, it was amazing. And I know, kev, I don't know if you remember this or not I was blown away by the lyrics of her songs. I consider her the millennial Dylan. I really do.
Speaker 1:Okay, and for the millennials who don't know. Dylan for the millennials who don't know Dylan a Bob Dylan, a Dylan.
Speaker 2:Go read some Bob Dylan lyrics and you'll know what I'm talking about. You'll be like wow, where does that come from? She's a genius? Yeah, no, she really is, and even at 16, I even remember this interview I said I said, Taylor, for somebody who should be just basically watching Nick at night, every night and Nickelodeon or whatever you choose, some really deep and interesting lyrics, and remember what he said she goes I don't watch Nickelodeon. Yeah, I think I was her first exposure to goofy idiot DJ just trying to get a laugh.
Speaker 1:You were a lot of people's first exposure to that.
Speaker 2:I apologize. No, dude, I think there's a shot for it.
Speaker 1:No, that's what your personality man, that's your persona, that's you.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you this Over the years, though, we've had multiple opportunities to be in her midst and to talk to her and everything I have To me. Taylor Swift is number two Kev on the list of. Don't you know who you are? Why are you talking to me like this? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Who would be number?
Speaker 2:one. I don't understand why Garth Brooks likes to spend so much time hanging out and talking to us. I mean, you have like a 15 minute conversation with Garth Brooks a couple of times and he's done been, and he's asking oh so, audrey, volleyball this, that, the other. And he's done it. And I'm just thinking to myself you are Garth Brooks, I am a radio idiot in Houston. Why do you care?
Speaker 1:And he's just an amazing guy. Taylor was that way too.
Speaker 2:I mean, taylor was always very warm and she seemed like she had a huge memory. I would sweet, I'd see her and I'd talk about it, and the next time I see her she goes. Well, how is Audrey doing in volleyball? That'd be like somebody just gave you notes, didn't they? And she's just one of those people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she's got a huge index of information in her brain. One of the reasons that Garth Brooks does that and he told me this when he was at rodeo Houston. He loves the same thing that we loved him. He loves the conversation, and he doesn't like the conversation with people whose story he already knows. He loves the conversation of people like us who he doesn't know as much about, so that's why he's so fan friendly. He loves to find out about people.
Speaker 2:Well, you got to remember. He was the guy back in the early nineties who literally stood in the same place for 24, 38 hours at Sanfest in Nashville signing everybody's autograph. Would not leave until literally everybody from the Nashville Metro area had a Garth Brooks autograph. I mean, that's just an amazing guy. By the way, kev, real quick number three on that list and you'll understand why I say this kid rock.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Awesome, yeah, is that the great kid rock is serving Kevin Klein and I cores lights in his trailer.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Was that the best menu? And I was looking at each other go. He's getting up and fetching us core like keep kid rock.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, that was great and that was like what, maybe 30 or 40 minutes before he went on stage in Birmingham, it was just really cool. I mean it was weird just hanging out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I think I disarmed him by saying your performance in Joe Dirk was really, really not recognized by the Academy this year.
Speaker 1:Robbie, that's a great movie man. You know, that's a great book. This is how this is how it works with Tim and I. He'll say something and it'll trigger something in me, or I'll say something, it'll trigger something in him. I wanted to try something with you and this leads it into perfectly, when I run, it's boring, okay, and you, you realize that too. I mean, you've always realized that, klein, running that long, that's boring. So in order to occupy my mind, I come up with top fives, okay, top fives in the top, and I always thought you'd be perfect to banter back and forth with me on this. I'll throw out a cool, I'll throw out a topic and in my head I'm starting to talk about. You know answers to this top five. So the top five I want to give you and you don't even know this category yet. This is the first time you've ever heard about this concept. Top five football movies oh.
Speaker 2:Top five football movies. Boy, that scene, that's going to be tough because there are a lot of really, really good ones. I know It'll be tough to put them in order. You don't have to put them in order, Just give five. Okay, I got. I know it's cheesy and shlocking or whatever. I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:Gene Hackman and Keanu Reeves the replacements Okay it was about, you know the guys who crossed the the strike line and played ball got some victories and everything like that, and I did. I like Keanu Reeves as the QB. I thought you know it's ticker, everything like that. I love that movie.
Speaker 1:Okay, I have never seen it. You've never seen the replacements. No, no. This is one of the reasons why I thought this would be a fun thing to do, because you're gonna name five movies and I guarantee I may not have seen any of them.
Speaker 2:Oh, you've seen.
Speaker 1:Rudy right, yeah, that's not on my list.
Speaker 2:I Like I like underdog stories though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we know the real story behind Rudy and nobody liked him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like too fiction for me. You know, you, you have a nice tidy list that's already laid out. You're, you just threw this at me, so I'm fresh on it. I'm working through my list. I guess right now is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1:And this is how I occupy my mind, so I'm glad I could drag you into the hell with me. Do you have longest yard on there? The original, yes, yeah, with Bert Reynolds.
Speaker 2:Yes, the original artist is brilliant, the one with Adam Sandler, it's okay. Yeah, yeah, do you have any given Sunday with Jamie Foxx as the quarterback, al Pacino as the coach?
Speaker 1:See, I always get that one mixed up with with the Denzel Washington one. Was that? Remember the Titans?
Speaker 2:Remember the Titans I kev. I probably have that at number one or two, remember really.
Speaker 1:Okay, I haven't seen either of those movies, but I always get them mixed up in title. I don't know why, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just saw my all-american about Freddie I think his name Steinbach the UT Longhorn, who, when they won the national championship of 1969, was diagnosed with bone cancer, had his leg amputated and made it to the sidelines of the cotton bowl when they beat Notre Dame a couple weeks later.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a craze, that's. I just saw that one so fresh on the head. You know, if you would have asked me this a week ago, I probably wouldn't have had it on there because I never saw it, but it gets some kind of mention.
Speaker 1:Well, that, actually, that storyline actually leads me to my number one and I'm gonna ask you to do the line, because I know you know the line in the movie Brian's song, oh.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you about Brian Piccolo. He else there's the speech, yeah, even the theme song. When I hear Brian song, I Immediately you know cuz you and I were young when we saw this and it's football and even though it's the Chicago Bears for a Packers fan, I mean I was riveted and I was glued. And when, when he gave the speech, it was who was it? It was.
Speaker 1:Billy D Williams.
Speaker 2:That's right, I love you know, in the speech and I was like, and of course a con James con blade, brian Piccolo the. Chicago Bears running back that died of cancer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the backstory. He. They were teammates on the Chicago Bears. Billy D Williams played Gale Sarah's, one of the best running backs to ever play the game, and Brian Piccolo was the other running back and Piccolo died at 26 from cancer. And it was. There was a race component to it because Gale Sarah's black, billy pick, brian Piccolo white, but man dude. That is the biggest tear jerk movie I've ever seen. Man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's, that was. That was a hard one to watch us. You know, initially I was like I think I need some more football teams. Shouldn't we have some more football team? Because it was like really heavy, but in such a great movie that's. So I can understand why that stops.
Speaker 1:What do you know? What else? What else do you have? Do you know?
Speaker 2:Well, what do you have? Let's work from yours.
Speaker 1:Mine are dumb, so Brian song I've got. I also have the water boy.
Speaker 2:Oh, you gotta have the water boy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you gotta have the water boy. How quality H2O.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my god, that is, I mean, without a doubt, one of the best movies, okay.
Speaker 1:Now you're gonna think I'm playing Homer on this one because it was filmed on the campus where I went to school and where your daughter now works. But necessary roughness was that film?
Speaker 2:the Texas State.
Speaker 1:It certainly was.
Speaker 2:Happy Ireland was the kicker on that field. That's why it's in my top five. Happy Ireland. For those unaware, let me talk to Millennials and Gen Z here. Happy Ireland was Margot Robbie. Yeah to our generation. Okay, it was like wow, yeah she's the kicker in this movie. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah, yeah, real quick one that I kind of like because I really had a thing for. I kind of a kid crush on her. Goldie Han in Wildcats great movie. Yeah, see Russell as the, as the principal. I love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Varsity Blues Dude and Friday night lights. Man, what am I thinking?
Speaker 1:Well, there's a lot of football movies. That's what you said at the beginning of this, and that's why it's fun to do for me, because I'll I'll have these arguments with myself While I'm running.
Speaker 2:Yeah, varsity Blues is a great movie. John Boyd was so awesome in that.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's a jerk, Total yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean he was brilliant in that movie.
Speaker 1:It was a great jerk yeah that is a great was a Vanderbeek was the quarterback. Yeah, james Vanderbeek and Ally Larder, I love that one.
Speaker 2:And then Friday night lights Billy Bob Thornton as the coach. I mean that was a great movie and then spun it off. The series was actually even better than movie what? Really? Yeah, let me tell you this. You start watching the Friday night night night night series. You can't stop you. You literally are like I'm gonna put sandbags down in the door, I'm gonna shut my phone off, I'm going to, I'm gonna eat bread and peanut butter for three days and I'm gonna watch all the seasons.
Speaker 1:Well, now that I stay up past seven o'clock at night, I can watch stuff like that. So thanks for the tip.
Speaker 2:I think you will like it has. It has all the components of a Kevin Klein type series. You know it's got some good football, it's got some sensitive moments, because we know you can be sensitive very and of course it's got it's got pretty women too.
Speaker 1:I love that. Yeah, no, that's the whole reason. I got varsity Blues on my list because Ally Larder in ice cream Sunday. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2:That's so funny, that kind of stuff happening to you, and I never happened to me. Yeah, that whole thing I'm kidding I'm so embarrassed that we were this far into that top five list Before varsity Blues and Friday night lights. I can literally hear people screaming at the podcast going.
Speaker 1:Wildcats. We can take it to social. Take it social, let it, let us take it to social.
Speaker 2:Let's do a top five Football movies of all time in honor of the reunion of Tim Tuttle and Kevin Klein and also Super Bowl week.
Speaker 1:You like how I trailed out there and also a Super Bowl week exactly. Well, yeah, we got, we got priorities.
Speaker 2:I can't there's and there's a million of them and you know, after the fact, like I'm gonna go do a Second round of cardio later this afternoon and I'll be, I'll be doing a little cardio and I'll be like why didn't you mention that tunnel, mm-hmm, so I'll have top five regret, which I guess it's something you can get from your little you know feature here.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, it's, it's constant. It's constant regret because, man, I forgot this, man, I forgot that. But it's, it's a perfect component for you to chime in on the social media and say, oh man, we're needed, I forgot this. So it's a topic that'll never end.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so if I have to go back to you, know an orgrant, if you're officially gonna put it on social media. I got it as Friday night lights. R2d Blues.
Speaker 1:What is what's Denzel? And any given no, remember the Titans.
Speaker 2:Remember the Titans any given Sunday, and then I Guess I gotta go, rudy. Okay, now those are mine.
Speaker 1:It's not surprising that you've gone. That you've gone, rudy. You're a Catholic boy raised in Indiana, geez.
Speaker 2:My mom would. It would be crying somewhere if I didn't have some Notre Dame in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Rudy is all about Rudy. A walk-on player that gets to play one play at Notre Dame.
Speaker 2:My mom would be like oh, tim, you had several opportunities there to mention the Notre Dame fighting Irish. I all what you mentioned, the Packers.
Speaker 1:That's your best impression ever, your mom.
Speaker 2:She was raised in Wisconsin after her dad lost the farm and they had to move there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, way to go, grandpa Schmidt. What are you binging? What are you binge watching? Because you mentioned right now.
Speaker 2:I'm watching suits right now.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude, that is so good.
Speaker 2:I'm having trouble getting past Him, like as not a lawyer, though, and he's like an investment guy. I don't like that. I'm in that season right now.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They could have stopped that the season before.
Speaker 2:I don't know why they did that. I, you know, it's kind of. It's kind of like when everybody was gonna know about friends and then Then Phoebe decides well, I'm gonna have babies for my brother who played who played by. Giovanni. Robicia yeah and I was just like that is just too weird. Yes, I know Lisa Kodrow has a his pregnant and having kids, but there's a much better way you could do this plot line. Then I'm doing it for my brother.
Speaker 1:It's weird, weird. It was a lot of weird. I was out on that, but yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna pass the hole. He's because I know he's gonna go back and be a lawyer on suits.
Speaker 1:Yeah, suits is great, man. We we watched all of that. They got a new spinoff coming up pretty soon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, can I ask you a question, and this is very important.
Speaker 1:Sure, always freaks me out, cuz.
Speaker 2:Have you decided to follow the advice I have given you for many years now? Have you watched Walter White in Breaking Bad?
Speaker 1:I watched that series the entire, from start to finish, I think in about three weeks.
Speaker 2:Yes, it was amazing it's not done that when we were together Is that incredible, or what?
Speaker 1:Dude. I'm so glad I didn't get hooked on it while we were together, because I would have never gotten any sleep. It's fascinating, it was riveting, it was absolutely unbelievable. But let me say this up until the last season, I liked Better Call Saul better, really. Oh, I love Better Call Saul.
Speaker 2:I do too. I don't think it holds up in regards to Breaking Bad, but it is a nice 1B. You know what I'm?
Speaker 1:saying I'm the only one that seems to think that Saul, that I liked Saul better. Saul probably wasn't better than Breaking Bad. I just liked it better, I think, because Odenkirk was just such a slime ball. Oh, just perfect.
Speaker 2:He was just unbelievable and you know for a second you would hire him because he would do whatever it takes to get you off.
Speaker 1:That's right. And the other thing that surprised me about Better Call Saul is Michael McKee, and we only know him from comedy movies. We know him from Saturday Night Live, we know him from Spinal Tap, we know him from Best in Show and in that group right there. But boy, he played a jerk too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was awesome. And you know who's the guy that the fixer, Airman Trout Mike.
Speaker 1:Mike, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:That was a great job on that role.
Speaker 1:So, dude, let me tell you a story here. My friend Bob Trisha's old boss in Sugarland. He and his wife were living in Thousand Oaks, california. They went to a wedding and the bride I think it was her grandfather or her uncle was Mike the fixer, really Yep. And so they got seated at the same table with him and they're huge fans, but they didn't want to fan geek out on him, you know. And so they just started talking to him and all he wanted to talk about was their kids, that's so funny. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you could see that side of him. You know, when he's dealing with his granddaughter in the series, you can see he has that side in him too, but that's so amazing.
Speaker 1:And they eventually.
Speaker 2:And Kevin, let's not forget. You know, we remember when we were kids, we saw him and do the right thing. But Gus Spring, oh yeah, that is an unbelievable character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was an amazing character, yeah.
Speaker 2:But you have to admit probably one of the best characters in Breaking Bad outside of Walter White was Tuko.
Speaker 1:Dude, I used Tuko Salamanca as one of my racing names in one of my recent marathons.
Speaker 2:When they let you, that's funny.
Speaker 1:They let you personalize your bib, and so, instead of putting my name on, I put characters that I love in movies, but they can't be the lead. They can only be a supporting role, and Tuko Salamanca was amazing.
Speaker 2:That was Is that an incredible character and from what I hear we don't know in person he's the nicest dude ever behind the scenes, but he played the psycho drug dealer just so well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you couldn't be like that in real life. You die of stress, you die of somebody would kill you for being that.
Speaker 2:You'd get blown up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you would get blown up, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's probably what would happen to you.
Speaker 1:Have you seen him in the old TV show the Closer or Major Crimes? Yes, yeah, yeah, he's awesome. He's awesome, yeah, he's a great actor.
Speaker 2:I love that you have, because for years and I'm gonna probably steal this from you, kev for years I'd said well, kev, what do you, if you had to? What would you sign into a hotel under a fake name under and you never had anything You're like why? Would never be. I would never be big enough star to ever have to do that. And of course you know that I always said Jose Camarillo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just rolls right off the tongue for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you remember when Timmy was born that they were trying to see. Tim and Erica's baby at the hospital and they were concerned security-wise. They wanted to put him under a different name and we did. He is Jose Camarillo Jr. Oh, the junior. Yeah, and he's still. I still get some mail on occasion from the hospital saying Jose Camarillo Jr Bad and really funny I think I want to steal Tuko Salamanaca. That's a great one, yeah, good catch there, buddy, yeah no, I'm done with it.
Speaker 1:I only use the character one time in a race and then I moved on. So, like this past January, when I ran the Houston Marathon, I was Brooks Hatlin. Remember Brooks Hatlin from Shawshank Redemption? I do, yeah, james Whitmore.
Speaker 2:Can I ask you this how many people know what you're doing and will mention?
Speaker 1:something, None. But if it's one person, no, seriously people. They'll say go, Brooks, go. And I'm like dude, if you only knew, Like I was Miley Cyrus in Paris, France, I put Miley Cyrus on my.
Speaker 2:You put Miley Cyrus on your bib.
Speaker 1:I put Miley Cyrus on my bib in Paris, France. They had no idea. I'm pretty sure they had an idea that I wasn't Miley Cyrus. But yeah, but no, when I do fictional characters, no, nobody, nobody. But if there's that one person that does know, dude, that makes it all worthwhile.
Speaker 2:That's it. That's. All I need is one. You know our policy has always been for going on 28 years if one person laughs we win, and it's usually me that laughs, so we always win. That's it. I don't care. I got one, so I went fishing and I caught one small fish and I'll go home and I'll be happy.
Speaker 1:Hey, I'm curious to find out your reaction to this. We woke up to the news this morning that Toby Keith ain't no longer breathing like he once was.
Speaker 2:No man, that's not.
Speaker 1:That's not. I got a reaction you smirk.
Speaker 2:I knew you were. I knew Kevin Klein. For those unaware, kevin Klein is. One of the things he's famous for is being the first to say something inappropriate. That's his, that's his thing. That's his thing, and God bless him. Yes, he will spend an eternity in hell. Yeah, my God, but he sticks with it regardless. Good one, kev. My question is is how long did it take you to write it?
Speaker 1:Immediately when Trish told me this morning hey, did you? Were you in Oklahoma this weekend? I'm like, yeah, she goes. Did you see the Toby Keith news? I'm like, no, she's like Toby Keith died on the fifth. I'm like, well, that was yesterday, honey, that was yesterday. She's like, oh. I said yeah, he ain't breathing like he once was.
Speaker 2:There you go, Just like that, Kevin. Yeah, I tell you, I saw that I was bummed First off. Toby Keith, that is one individual living the American dream.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, totally, totally, he was an oil guy.
Speaker 2:He was on the Derrick's and he was just really getting down and dirty before the music career took off and he ended up having his hands in successful restaurants and other businesses. A billionaire, a billionaire with still a stack of number one, hits a swagger. Unapologetic, that guy right there, true American, and I'm bummed out that we lost him so quickly. Obviously his suffering is over.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah yeah, he had stomach cancer and he had a brutal battle with stomach cancer. He has one of my all time favorite country music lyrics We'll put a bit in your ass, no man.
Speaker 2:I love it. He has so many poignant lyrics. I mean as good as. I once was. That's a really good one. Should have been a cowboy another great one. And the one don't let the old man in the recent one that was part of the Clint Eastwood movie. I mean he really has some introspective and really effective lyrics, so I've got to give him credit for being a good lyricist still.
Speaker 1:I'm surprised he's saying it should have been a cowboy, because he's from more Oklahoma, right down the street from Oklahoma University. He is a sooner, he bleeds maroon and white, but their rival is the Oklahoma State Cowboys. It's just ironic to me that he recorded that song and didn't pass it up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I have to say this though terrible golfer.
Speaker 1:Wait a minute, not the worst you've ever played with. You're not that bad, kev, you just like bunt it, though I was thinking more Charles Barkley. But yeah, I stuck to, I stuck to, I know. I know Tuttle's like hey, clive, let's play a foursome in a charity tournament. You hit first because I know it's not going to be far, but it'll be in the middle, and then I'll just rip it and grip it. Yeah, no, I know, but I was thinking more Charles Barkley.
Speaker 2:No, Kevin was right down the middle 175 yards.
Speaker 1:With a driver.
Speaker 2:With a driver, so we always knew we had one in the middle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But Barkley, that was terrible. That golf swing man I'm like really. You're like one of the elite athletes of the backside of the 20th century and your golf swing looks like this Plus, you have $200 million liquid where you can literally have David Leadbetter flow into your compound, spend the entire weekend with you and get you on track, and your golf swing looks like that. That is an American travesty, charles Barkley, and unnecessary.
Speaker 1:Hey, what's it like playing in front of a gallery, Because you played the Bruno's charity tournament and Barkley and Mia Hamm were on your foursome.
Speaker 2:No, actually Barkley was in the group behind.
Speaker 1:Oh OK.
Speaker 2:It was Bo.
Speaker 1:Jackson. Oh, that's right, bo Jackson.
Speaker 2:Bo knows everything except golf.
Speaker 1:Yeah no, he had a horrible swing too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he hooked things a lot, kev. Let me tell you the thing I got out of that Bruno's Memorial Classic, birmingham, alabama, 2004. We have Hubert Green. He is the pro, the PGA senior tour pro. I'm playing with Bo Jackson and Mia Hamm, the soccer player the ladies soccer player from the US team back in the late 90s. Now she is the wife of Noma Garcia-Para, the shortstop for the Red Sox for so many years. Because I'm in that group. I have huge galleries following me for 18-olds. That was a big gallery and, kev, you actually saw the 18-tole with the huge gallery, really big gallery, where it was a par five, and I know you remember this.
Speaker 1:Oh, I totally do.
Speaker 2:I crushed the ball off the tee. I mean I probably hit it 3-10 right down the middle. Even Hubert's like you know what? We're going to win this thing. Timmy, if you can just shoot a par here and that's a good drive. I'm like, oh boy, now you're done if you would. And Bo Jackson is even looking at me and he's going you got this man, you got this right, you got this right and I hit the second shot, crushed it. I mean my three would about 240, 245. And so just to the right of the green on a par five, I'm thinking I'm going to get up and down and birdie and be a real hero. Crowds going nuts, they're walking with me as I'm walking down to that third shot and I'm just like this is going to be awesome man.
Speaker 1:You remember the tap gallery in the thousands at that point. Oh, I was part of it, yeah.
Speaker 2:And I got to my ball with my 60-degree wedge. I just needed to flip it up and down. I choked that thing so bad it was unbelievable. The worst sound any human being can ever hear is five 6,000 people going ah. Then Bo Jackson walks over to me and goes. You asked up, but he used the word yeah. So that was the last interaction I ever had with Bo Jackson. You asked up.
Speaker 1:Hey, you at least had an interaction with the greatest athlete that ever walked the planet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he said something to me.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:He knew my name for about two hours.
Speaker 1:That's right, two hours, two hours. I thought a round of golf took you five hours.
Speaker 2:Oh, it took him the first two hours to learn it, are you OK? First I was dude, I was, I think I was Tommy for a couple of holes, tommy, yeah, and I was man, I was man for a couple of holes, and bro, bro, you know. And then it's finally started to plan a little. Well he's. Oh, hey, tim, good job.
Speaker 1:I was making fun of you telling, telling Kathy how long it took you to take around a golf. I'll be gone for about five hours.
Speaker 2:I, you know what, I don't know. If you remember I used to play golf, his name was Jay and he's actually. Look, he's a guy, bald guy, looked like you know exactly what he looked like.
Speaker 1:I totally remember Jay. Yeah, friend of ours in Birmingham.
Speaker 2:Here's my first wife, Kathy Thought around the golf was eight hours Until he mentioned on the radio and when we put him on for the last time that you know hey, tim, it's only going to be about four hours to play around with golf I was like oh come on that day she goes. What do you do for? The other four hours Timothy another round Of course we go play poker in the clubhouse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I didn't have to do diapers.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh man, I don't know how you did that. Diapers, holy smokes, I can't do it.
Speaker 2:You were one of the. You were. You watched Audrey. Audrey's now 22. You watched her the first people to watch her like for a couple of weeks, yeah, and I guess when Audrey had a diaper problem that went to Trish.
Speaker 1:Oh, that was all Trish yeah. That was all Trish yeah, you couldn't even look at her. I can't be in this. I can't be in the same room, Even when our dogs do it. Tim, I can't be in the same room. I leave.
Speaker 2:How is your wife put up with you?
Speaker 1:Uh, medication, exactly. Yeah, more for me Life is for her yeah. Do you remember when I held Audrey for the first time in the hospital? Yes, what'd she do? Yeah, Blood.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, well, you know that's. That's the first night and there's still all kinds of things going on with the system, you know they maybe haven't cleared everything out, that's, that's in there, so yeah, I didn't know that, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think, I, oh, I totally did.
Speaker 2:She's like, uh, I, I the show and Tim gets back from maternity leave with baby, very awkward because I killed his daughter within the first few hours of her life.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah. That was the scary moment for me. I had no idea, though, but I can't wait till she gets married, because when we send her her wedding gift, there's definitely going to be some sort of a mention about that, literally.
Speaker 2:I mean, you guys were up there like, uh, they were cutting the um biblical court. You guys were up into the hospital. I thought that was great. It showed support. Kathy found us a little early.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but she wasn't a big, big fan of me trying to get in there, you know, yeah, yeah, I want to see the cut, I want to see the cut. Yeah, yeah, oh man, some, some, some seriously fun times and good times. How do you think age has changed you?
Speaker 2:How has age changed me? I again, I, probably. I don't let as much bother me and I don't want to see, I just don't care what people say, I just know I, I abs. It used to bother me when people had issues with me. It used to bother me when you know I wouldn't get my way. Nothing, there's rolls off the back now Literally Just rolls off. I just I don't care, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I always thought you handled uh criticism. I always thought you handled negative social media comments. I never knew it bothered you, it did.
Speaker 2:I always laugh at people that had issues with the show.
Speaker 1:I'm like you have issues with the show.
Speaker 2:You got the easiest job in the world Turn the channel yeah. Those people always made me laugh. I was like why are you here then? I'm just talking like on a day to day in dealing with people and dealing with situations. Um, I just, you know, I really am much easier just letting things go.
Speaker 1:You know, you know I kept.
Speaker 2:You know you can arrange things. You can remember I used to be uh, I'm, I'm going to get you.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know you have and I had a list. Oh, you don't anymore.
Speaker 2:No, no, I let I, you know, I let that all go. Really, there's, there's a point where you just let it go. It's just, it's such, it's such negative, poisonous toxins. I guess a lot of this is.
Speaker 2:You know, I have really, over the last year and a half, taken up meditation. Okay, like, every single day, I'll meditate for 10 minutes, just 10 minutes, yeah, just 10, just 10 minutes, that's all. And then when something comes up that gives me anxiety or something you know may give you, I'll do, I'll do an emergency maintenance, 10 minutes. But yeah, that that, right there, I mean it just completely, you know, resets you, Uh, you visualize the rest of the day or the next day and you have that time and you know anything bothering you. And another thing I do is I put myself in the other persons. Uh, you know, I put them in their place a lot, okay, like, okay, there's, there's a reason why this person is that way. Yeah, you know, maybe it's a childhood thing. You know, maybe mama didn't hug him enough for her enough, you know, maybe, you know, and, and you know, all people do is they shove it down. And then it was on this day, with their interaction with me, they decided what happened back in 1991.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying no, I know exactly what you're saying. I've had that conversation with a couple of a couple of other people who, uh, in, as a matter of fact, I had it with our old boss, john Lenick. You don't know what that person's going through that day, you know exactly. So just give them the benefit of the doubt. Let me ask you this because you in, in all of my dealings with people, you are the one person who I never thought could turn their brain off. So how do you do? How do you take? Take me through a meditation.
Speaker 2:Um, it's, the breathing is big, into the nose, out through the mouth and then just a complete head clear.
Speaker 1:I try to get to a point where I just black out and have no thoughts whatsoever.
Speaker 2:And I actually hit that point, probably usually about two minutes, in Really yeah, where I just have zero thoughts in my head whatsoever. I literally I actually the uh, because I do it on my bed, laying, laying on my back, and I just feel like I'm in a cloud of weightless and I'm just completely calm. And then, once I can get the blackout in the head, I go into um, either visualization mode hey, what's my day going to be like? Or I'd start to pick apart the problem that I'm trying to address by meditating and I just I just well, a lot more thinking involved instead of reactionary, you know really yeah, wow, I pay $160 a week to talk to somebody about this.
Speaker 1:I don't have to do that anymore. I just need to learn how to meditate.
Speaker 2:I tell you.
Speaker 2:Kevin, it's huge. Now don't get me wrong. I got I have a lot of issues too that I probably should be talking to somebody. Yeah, I probably should be doing that. I probably just work out some stuff from, uh, from the childhood, but it has been really. I mean I just I hope, I hope no grudges. I mean I I can name you a list of people who have done me wrong that I should probably seek vengeance upon and destroy. I just I think about them and I'm like I come to the point where I feel sorry for them that they compromise themselves by doing that to me. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I feel sorry for them and I let it go.
Speaker 1:The last conversation I had was with a ring announcer and octagon announcer, joe Martinez, and he's very spiritual and he said do you realize the amount of energy it takes to hate as opposed to the amount of energy it takes to love? Exactly yeah, he said you if you're hanging on to hate, he says you're driving yourself to an early grade with the amount of stress you're creating for yourself.
Speaker 2:Exactly Now. You still want. I mean, I still want the motivator. Yeah, you know I still. I mean, like these people that I've mentioned that I've let it go. I want them. Hey, I want them to see me. How you like me now? Mm-hmm, you know what I'm saying. You still want to have that moment. Yeah, a tip of the cap to go be key. How you like me now.
Speaker 1:Yep, there you go.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so that'll always be there. But I don't wish harm upon them, I don't have negative thoughts about them. I actually come to the point where I feel sorry.
Speaker 1:It's like I told my mom once I don't forgive and I don't forget. I just move on.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, sometimes though you got to forgive.
Speaker 1:No, I don't.
Speaker 2:If they show that they want forgiveness. If they're, they're contrite, and you got to have room for that, because sometimes cap later down the road, people will be like they'll have their discovery moment of going oh man, yeah. Yeah, I didn't mean to do that to Kevin. There are some I mean, I have some of that stuff with you too, with you when I have regrets, you know, of how I, how I've dealt with you and some of the things that I've said to you and some of the ways I have I've treated you. It wasn't out of malice, but looking back, I think to myself I could have done that better.
Speaker 1:Oh, I never, dude, I never took offense, and you know we were you're probably talking about when we were really, really young and we were totally driven and motivated by our own, I guess, our own motivations and our own desires. As you get older, bro, you know, you start to think about others. You start to think about how, what you can do to impact somebody else's life. Dude, I never. There should be no regret on your part, no regret whatsoever.
Speaker 2:I guess what I should. I should have shown appreciation more. I should have been like man, I couldn't have got here without you. I couldn't have been to this point without you, more than I. You did it to me, I mean you. You you've let me know. Hey, man, I could never have been. You've done that and I haven't done it with you, and that's the thing that I remember.
Speaker 1:It's all right, I appreciate you acknowledging that, but totally unnecessary. But yeah, dude, I've, I've. I've long said that I always wanted to be a morning show person, but when I met you, I realized I couldn't be a standalone morning show person. You brought out the best in me and you. I have a really hard time with people not liking me. You know that about me. I have to be liked. I don't necessarily have to like you, but I need you to like me.
Speaker 2:That's so funny too. Yeah, and I think that's an interesting dynamic about you is you want everybody to like you, but you have a nice little list of people you do not like.
Speaker 1:I know, I know I really do, and it's, it's a flaw, I get it, but you, you always took the brunt of that. You always took the brunt of management and you know you were. Your personality is a thousand times stronger than mine. So yeah, man, I realized real early that we would be successful if I let go of my dream of being the focal point of a show. No big deal, bro, it worked out, man.
Speaker 2:All right, everything works out, man, and here we are again. Can you believe this campus? This has been fun. What, what are you done?
Speaker 1:I'm not. This is I'm not either. I'm just saying it's been fun.
Speaker 2:I mean, this is, this is awesome.
Speaker 1:When you're yourself and you have like minded people, it should be fun. It should always be fun. If it's not fun, then you have to get out. That's what happened to me. That's why I got out, tim. It wasn't, it wasn't the, it wasn't the industry and it wasn't the. The camaraderie that I had with you and Erica and Haas it was the fun was being taken away from me from from upper management. Yeah.
Speaker 2:When they switched ownership, the ownership situation just became ugly and people saw it happening. You know the, the, the people with vision that were in management positions above us, and they started to get out. And you know, yeah, if you saw the handwriting on the wall, I still had some bills to pay, so I had to get in there. But yeah, I knew that, yeah, so hey, hey, man.
Speaker 2:I understand what you did and why you retired, and now you understand why it's so important to to get back, to get back to it, because it's not.
Speaker 1:It's not about the recognition and it's not about, you know, going somewhere and having people say, oh, I love your show, that's awesome and everything. It's just you and I personally need to release creativity. Yeah, see, to me it's like you and me are just having fun. We're riffing.
Speaker 2:We're in our little tree house again and if it appeals to other people and they're down with it, go ahead and eavesdrop, we don't care. That's great If there's a market for that, that's awesome. But you know, it's fun to just do this stuff, yeah, and it's also fun to see the changes that you go through. I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a great change. I mean, to me, I'm in a position like, like, I see it as a kind of like a Mike Tyson thing.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Mike Tyson for decades.
Speaker 2:Bad guy, dylan you know what he did to that girl talking about eating children, talking about throwing people, completely annihilated, destroying the complete response? No, that guy, he is a fun, loving Eddie bear type guy that you literally could just sit there and laugh with and have a good time with. Much different person Kev then, when we were at the Tyson Holyfield ear biting fight in 1997 in Las Vegas when he was just you could see it in his eyes when we saw him the days before the fight oh yeah, he was an animal, that total animal, and you know, you can actually talk about George Foreman too, because George Foreman made that, that attitude and personality Transformation and adjustment.
Speaker 1:But yeah, tyson would be a fantastic example and with the Super Bowl being held in Las Vegas, we should probably talk about how we you almost got taken out actually on several occasions.
Speaker 2:I For those unaware, I could. I could have died in 1997 in Las Vegas, nevada, probably been buried out in the desert somewhere, and if Kevin would have witnessed it he'd been right next to me. But because I put myself into some bad positions. First off, we were big-time friends with Don King, and I don't know how that happened. We don't. King loved you and me and I don't know why. I don't know how it happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I actually do have a bit of insight into that. It's because we were real to Don. Yeah, we did not blow smoke up Don, we did not. You know, we were just real people to him and we were fans of his sport. And yeah, michael Marley told me that when, after we got done interviewing Don King, he said you guys got Don King to do something he rarely does and that is drop his guard, drop his persona.
Speaker 2:He said. I was very surprised at how open he was Because I was thinking to myself when we were interviewing him and this is late 1996, we're interviewing him and he's talking about the Nashville fights that were coming up. He was saying things that I'd never heard about Don King before and didn't know and I could tell even some of his people that were his handlers were in there, were going. Why did I go? Wow, did he just say that to these guys?
Speaker 1:Well, you know his catchphrase only in America, and he says it with that robust bravado. After he said that, you said and we're live on the air. After he said that, you said hey, don, do you want to stick around for another episode or for another segment? And he goes yeah, sure, I'd like to do that. And it was just like no character, no, nothing. It was just a guy saying, yeah, I'd like to do that. And that's when Michael Marley pulled me aside during the commercial break and he goes you guys don't realize what you just did. He goes you guys really don't realize what you just did. You're so comfortable and so real that Don just let his guard down with you guys. You're in with him.
Speaker 2:And then you know he first off in the Nashville fights. I mean, we're a ring side. You know we're getting taken care of VIP, you know, and this is early in our radio career.
Speaker 2:I mean we were still in our mid-20s, cab Really early in the big, about five or six months at the time, into our morning show gig and suddenly we're FOD Friends of Don King you know what I'm saying, yeah. And then we find out he is going to fly us. You and I pay the bill, fly us to Las Vegas, put us up in the MGM Grand Hotel for Fight Week and then have us on Radio Row broadcasting. And we were just we were freaked out because when we got there, I mean it was only the who's who and radio on Radio Row. I mean the big money guys, jim Rome and Pharrell and you know Ron and Ron from Florida who I met later, just the big syndicated shows and Tudlin Klein, these new guys in their mid-20s from Nashville.
Speaker 1:It was fantastic and, yeah, we were at the fight, the ear biting. We were there and then out of the fight.
Speaker 2:In the days before I almost didn't make it a couple of times. I don't know which of these you remember if any. Cab is the time when we were doing the morning show and piping it back to Nashville and I did my Mike Tyson imitation.
Speaker 1:Oh man, this thing, man is a work-riff.
Speaker 2:And Mike Tyson, with the all around his neck, walks past me and shoots me a love like he's going to kill me, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like you remember that I do it was after one of his public workouts leading up to the fight.
Speaker 2:I. He stopped dead in his tracks and looked at me. He's got the towel around his neck, he's sweating and I've never seen a look like that before. I mean, don't get me wrong, a couple of my ex-wives have come close with that. Look to me. But I think Mike Tyson stopped my watch. I think I look down and my watch.
Speaker 1:it's not like Steve Rails back in Hellter, skeletor is Charles Manson.
Speaker 2:Oh man, every, I thought I was dead, I thought he's going to jump over the table and kill me. I was like what do I do here? You know how do I? How do I defend myself from Mike Tyson?
Speaker 1:See, that was how, that was Tyson's aggression back then. Now, if you were to do that to him, he'd probably give you that same look, but it would be. How is a white guy able to produce, able to impersonate me?
Speaker 2:Oh man, it's really good. If you do that, there's a little bit of a left, it's thrown off and it's ludicrous. I can even do it.
Speaker 1:Look at this stupid white guy, I mean obviously it's over the top and ridiculous.
Speaker 2:That's what all the great people are Later that day, or maybe the next day, kev, when we got done with our broadcast and we go back into the Indian Grand Hotel, we get on the elevator and it's just you and me and this black dude and he's standing right next to me and he's looking at me. Funny, he's got and I'm inside. I'm a boa. You know I'm a boa. I'm not going to be intimidated, I'm a boa. He gets off on the floor before we do.
Speaker 1:And what did you say to?
Speaker 2:me. Do you remember this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I totally remember who it was. Yeah, I'm like dude, you were just going to throw down with Roy Jones Jr.
Speaker 2:Home for Pound, best fire in the world. In the world, that's time.
Speaker 1:Literally. I mean, we were about the same size. I may have been a little bit bigger than him. Yeah, you are. That's why I did the boa, but he literally would.
Speaker 2:He would show me my kidney within three seconds. Yeah, it's stupid, you know but, I guess I showed some stupidity right after the fight when we went back to the Indian Grand Hotel. I'm just, I'm. That was my idiot week of all time. Yeah, this one took the cake.
Speaker 1:This one was amazing because everybody is milling about in the lobby of the MGM Grand. The fight ended with Tyson biting Evander Holyfield's ear in half, and so there's dismay, there's adrenaline, there's shock, there's anger, and filtered out into the lobby of the MGM Grand. And Tim Todd Newton from E Entertainment Television was there with us and I, and we're all standing there and all of a sudden we hear pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. People just start hitting the floor. Just get on the ground. Todd Newton lays on top of me. There's only one person standing still in the lobby of the MGM Grand. Who might that have been? Tim. That was me.
Speaker 2:I was. I was just looking around. Why is there? Everybody on the ground, like everybody, like hundreds of people are on the ground and I'm standing up Like what's going on, and then Newton finally says I'll get down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Sir Pervert and White Boy not used to that whole shooting thing.
Speaker 1:Well, it wasn't a shooting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it wasn't a champagne cork or something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, somebody said it was a champagne cork. Champagne corks go off one time, this one off three times, and then you see three gentlemen running behind. I mean like sprinting behind the registration desk of the MGM Grand. That wasn't because of a champagne cork.
Speaker 2:Now I'll give you this A champagne cork may have started it and triggered it and got people freaked out. True, there was gunfire. True, and there was, you know, gaming tables being tipped over and chips being grabbed.
Speaker 1:And broken glass all over the place. Yeah, no, true, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know that was funny because that was right after we just walked past Johnny Cochran.
Speaker 1:Yep, I remember that.
Speaker 2:For those that are aware, you know, when you get a big fight like that, particularly when you're talking about Tyson Holyfield, everybody on planet Earth that is, somebody in terms of celebrity is there. And just who we saw that week, it's unbelievable. You know, you're right. We're close buddies with Todd Newton. From the entertainment we see Johnny Cochran, you know. Oh, hey, there's Tiger Woods. You know, it's just. It's just such a real thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. It was amazing. I was talking to somebody who lives in Las Vegas now and I said I've never seen a more chaotic place than that event, that city for that event, and I can't imagine what it would have like in Vegas for the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:Oh and Kev, let's look at Vegas for the Super Bowl. How is that? I mean, it's such a great situation out there and I know somebody who's like a draft and NFL draft follower and he told, he told me once you know he goes to draft a draft NFL draft every April.
Speaker 1:They had in.
Speaker 2:Vegas this past year and he goes it should be here every year. And there's, you're going to say the same thing about the Super Bowl. Everything's right there. Everything's completely contained. Anything you want is with an arms reach. I mean, I think the NFL is going to have trouble keeping it out of Las Vegas going forward, because it's just that's the perfect environment.
Speaker 1:Except for the fact that they promise these cities with new stadiums that they're going to get a Super Bowl, because it's an influx of capital for the city. How do you?
Speaker 2:how do you?
Speaker 1:offset that then.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, every 31st year a different NFL city will get a piece of it. I mean, it's like, hey, do you want 10% of $150 million or do you want 11 million? You want 10% of the Vegas. And what about those cities that don't host Super Bowls? They don't host them up in northern cities.
Speaker 1:I mean you're not going to see a Baltimore?
Speaker 2:Super Bowl. You're not going to see New England Super Bowl and God hell damnation if they'll ever be a Buffalo Bill's Super Bowl, a Buffalo Super Bowl, you know? Just give every, every year, give a different team a cut of it and just keep it in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, there's some validity to that argument. They got a great stadium. It seats 72,000. It's one of the larger stadiums. It's not the largest stadium Well, at&t and the Meadowlands might be bigger, but yeah, it's one of the top three for sure.
Speaker 2:Kev. That is the only city that I can think of in the United States, maybe even the world that is specifically built to have two million people come in at any time and visit and do tourists. It's built for that.
Speaker 1:The entire city. You're a gaming guy and I think that was one of the reasons why they held up Las Vegas getting a team for the longest time. They didn't know how gambling would affect the team or the league. Do you think that, because of the NFL's partnership with draft Kings and FanDuel, we've seen some fix?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, I don't, I don't want to believe it, I Don't want to. I mean, yeah again. You know I talked about this. You know we grew up watching football and it's like. It's like in my fabric, in my DNA. The last thing I would ever want anybody to say is they're fixing it.
Speaker 1:But there's always so many questionable calls, mm-hmm at key times by the referees that do swing games, legitimately swing games, that you'd almost be a fool not to think there's some of that playing out conversely, the the cross argument or the Counter argument that that would be the reason that those calls are missed, is because the game is so much faster that now than it used to be, and if you really look at it, the referees get more right than they get wrong, but the ones they get wrong are so glaring dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you bring up a great point right there. I mean you got, you got linebackers now that are running for four. Yeah at 300 pounds. These, these referees, mid sixties, late fifties. You can't get there quick enough. And if you can, are your eyes quick enough? You know yeah. No, I know you're at the point almost where, um and I hate to say this because I've seen Terminator, where you got to bring the robots in.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, that's happening in every industry. I mean they have.
Speaker 2:They have ways. Now we're instantly. You can like run a play and Instantly the AI could tell you whether it's a clean player or not. And they can, because they can see everything. They can see every offensive lineman, they can see. You know, make sure it's a clean block. They can see every passing interference. I'll tug the jersey right now. The only problem with that is they say that there are two or three penalties that can be called if you're getting chintzy on Every NFL play this run.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, I, I completely agree with that. There has to be that measurement of what can I get away with, because if I don't, that other guy's gonna exploit me something fierce, yeah, I mean, yeah, when you're talking about stakes that high, you're always looking for an edge.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's. That's why I always laughed at, you know, everybody freaking out about the Astros signal stealing. I Mean, yeah, we played ball. If we could steal signals, we would do it all day long.
Speaker 1:Damn straight.
Speaker 2:If I, if I'm, if I'm at the plate and I know that's a fastball. I know that's coming, I'm gonna dig in, you know.
Speaker 1:I'm saying I know exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and if you're not trying to steal the signals, then you're not playing baseball. Literally when you die and go and go to heaven. Hi, cobb will come and slap you in the face.
Speaker 1:Wait, he's probably down probably, I was gonna say probably the dirtiest player to ever play the game.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, really you have the opportunity to know what the pitchers gonna throw it. You didn't go for it. I'm disappointed, tim.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And your accountant would be disappointed too, because you're see you're keeping money from them. Because remember, man, yeah, the more hits you get, the more dollars you get.
Speaker 2:Exactly so when I read those comments, you know the anti-astros stuff. I'm just like you can always tell the people who didn't play any ball.
Speaker 1:Okay, but remember, the greatest sports quote we ever heard and this pertains to what you're talking about Was when a New York Yankee fan was talking about Roger Clemens and they said yeah, we know he's an a-hole, but he's our a-hole Meaning. Yeah, they're cheating, but there are cheaters.
Speaker 2:Well cap. The funniest thing about the whole thing is the astros were indicted, crucified by major league baseball, and we only found out later. Oh yeah, the Yankees were doing the same crap, and so are the Red Sox, but there are beloved Brands, sizes, and we decided not to mess with them. We're gonna take it as far away from New York City where the offices of the MLBR and let the people use didn't deal with it. That is the most ridiculous thing that the major league baseball did, powered it's. I still think the commissioner wasn't booed enough when he was here in Houston for the World Series.
Speaker 2:In point two, Got your golden goose man exactly, and that's why that's how I mean, yeah, I'm the biggest fan in history of Michael Jordan. You know that. I know that Michael Jordan to me, eight feet tall and throws Thunderbolts with his right arm, he's God. But as you know, as you watch some of the things you know, you realize he got away with murder, absolute murder, as the golden boy, big money guy. I mean, yeah, at first off, they would get a little chintzy sometimes on calling fouls on him and second off, he would get away with some, some, some stuff on defense also, because they're protecting the golden boy yeah, well, that's why people tuned in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people wanted to see Mike be like Mike oh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're gonna have Michael Jordan foul out in the third quarter. Oh, uh-oh. You could just hear the channels. Change you to hear it? Well, 12 million channels just changed.
Speaker 1:Not gonna happen, buddy not at all, not at all. Well, man, this has been a blast bro. I think this is fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:Well, hey man, let's do this again, let's do it again I.
Speaker 2:Mean, I can't. I posted on my social media a little bit. There seems to be a desire that a few people would like us to start officially a tunnel in client podcast. Should we do it? Based on today, what do you think?
Speaker 1:God help us all. I Think so, you know, and, and like you said, tim, all we need is one. We get one person to listen. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 2:I need one download and I'm gonna say, mom, you can't be it Okay that's right.
Speaker 1:Oh, hell man, my mom doesn't even download my stuff, that's a big.
Speaker 1:Thanks yeah, I had a blast man. My thanks to Tim's auto for 25 years together and for all the entertainment that we've created together, and thank you for listening and for all the kind words that you've posted on Tim's social media and mine as well. I'm flattered to be remembered and I'm humbled to be missed. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to support the fuzzy Mike, please go ahead, subscribe and leave a rating and review. I very much appreciate you doing that. Feel free to share the fuzzy Mike with your friends and family, like Abigail did. She wrote in and told me they call it family time Her mom, dad, brothers, noah and Micah. They watched the episodes together. Thanks, abs.
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